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In June 2021 I was contacted by a guy who wanted me to build him an 1972 Norton Commando Combat. Watch this space. Even
though I've already documented building Combats a couple of times I expect this to be a little different so I will document
it as well.
July 5, 2021 The project will start with a matching numbers titled bike that I bought a while ago. It was a half-done
chopper and supposedly the power unit was ready to go. The power unit looks OK, but is a little ugly so it will come all
apart to make the cases look good and to be sure there won't be anything wrong. It may have a ridiculous cam and if
it
does, it will be switched to a standard Combat cam. One reason I don't trust it is that the PO said that the isolastics
wouldn't fit so he cut the rubbers down – silly, now they are trash.
The frame and swingarm were powder coated as a part of a deal during the last customer combat rebuild documented here.
I haven't inspected yet, but I think the wheels were rebuilt already.
The only holdup to getting started in earnest is that there's a Triumph Trident on the table that needs the clutch
finished. Once that's done, it can come off the table and this can go on.
July 18, 2021 The Trident is getting close and I have some help coming tomorrow so it's time to get the power unit on
the bench. When you're old and no longer can carry a Norton power unit, it's time for the engine hoist.
Had to move a few things around in the shop, but got it done.
July 19, 2021 People sometimes ask me why I start by taking the engine and gearbox all apart. This is a
perfect example of why - it was supposed to be a professionally rebuilt engine:
- When we took the head off and turned it over, a copper washer fell out
- The engine would have leaked badly - the jointing compound was not evenly applied and there were areas with none.
- The timing chain was WAY over tight
- The primary chain was WAY over tight.
- The rotor nut was not tight.
- The clutch had mismatched metal friction plates and a pressure plate for fiber friction plates.
- The short bolt that holds the cases together in the finger was finger tight.
- The cam had two beveled thrust washers and the journals have been sleeved.
- The oil pump feels terrible
- The bearings are similar to "Super Blend" bearings but definitely not right. You can see the bearing half
that was on the crank in the
picture - should be just a journal.
- The cases were not cleaned well before assembling
- The cradle was missing a lot of paint and had quite a bit of rust
- The cylinders were poorly painted
Now for the good:
- The cylinders are bored .020" over and the pistons and rings are new.
- The head appears to have been well done with new valves, guides and spring.
July 20, 2021 Took the gearbox apart for inspection and so I can make the cases look new. As with the engine,
there were disappointments for a "ready" gearbox:
- The 2BA nylock nut for the clutch actuator roller was
finger tight and the lock is worn out
- The clutch operating body lockring was just snug - not nearly tight enough
- The drive sprocket lock ring was missing.
- The layshaft still had a ball bearing
- The sleeve gear was installed backwards - seal on the inside!
Now for the good:
- Although dirty the case and inner cover are in good shape - it will be easy to make them look new
- Six of the seven inner cover studs are new as are all seven nuts
- The gears all look good
- The drive sprocket is new
Here's the gearbox in a box...
July 22, 2021 The engine and gearbox cases are stripped and throughly cleaned ready for the next step to make them
look new.
July 23, 2021 Had help today to rearrange the shop - have two Commandos coming for eStart upgrades.
Completed the next phase of making the cases for this bike look new. They are completely clean now with not staining
and look quite odd (raw aluminum). Should finish making them look new tomorrow and hopefully the final cleaning will
be done tomorrow as well. Getting every last speck of media out of the various holes is the hardest part of the
entire process.
July 24, 2021 The cases are ready.
They are spotless and every thread has been checked. Had one major surprise. While washing out the passages
I
could not get water thru the oil return passage in the crankcase so I left it until all was washed and started using air
in every hole and passage. Everything went well except that passage would not pass air either. Since this
was a "ready to run" engine when I got it, I figured I had somehow clogged it. Then I tried a thin bottle
brush -
imagine my surprise when a piece of blue shop towel poked out of the hole like a worm in an apple. I started
pulling and realized that the entire passage was packed full of that towel material. Once I got it all out, the
passage cleaned up fine. I can't imagine how someone did that, forgot, and assembled the engine!
I was suspicious before, now I"m taking absolutely nothing for granted. I had planned to put the bottom end
together today but I don't like the camshaft that came with the bike and I'm out of Combat cams so I have to order
one.
Also, the connecting rods feel great so I wasn't planning to remove them for inspection but will now - too many bad
things. Including, I inspected the crank and it was been separated but put back together incorrectly. So, I
have to order a bolt kit for that (should never reuse those bolts and nuts).
Another interesting thing is the thin stud in the picture. It goes in the front of the engine just below the
cylinders. These cases were harder than normal to split. Now I know why. That stud is very bent.
The last person to put the engine together had to force it over around 3/8" to get it to line up with the hole in the
other casing! It's real lucky that the case was not cracked! Have to order on of those as well.
July 25, 2021 Removed the rods. Both sides had been slathered with Locktite. The timeing side was not
tight and the drive side was very tight. I was hoping to find good crank journals and new shells. I found
both, BUT! The rods/crank were not clean when assembled. The score on the timing side catches on a
fingernail! Fortunately, the journals feel and measure good.
Look at the second picture. There are supposed to be two long and four short studs. The long studs go at the
top along with the long nuts. The four short studs are an easy slip fit in the crank halves and flywheel and the two
long studs are a tight fit. The pin a the bottom and the two long studs do the truing of the crank as well as
holding it together. The other four only hold it together. The long studs were put at the bottom - couldn't
be more wrong except that the long nuts were too. Notice that the tabs are bent again a circular portion of the
long nuts - doing nothing. On top of all that, an extreme amount of Locktite was used and it was between the nut
and crank!
I lightly polished the journals with `1000 grit paper and WD40 to be sure there were no embedded flecks of metal.
The it was all thoroughly washed in hot water and soap, blown dry, and washed again with WD40. Then it was tie for
the first bit of assembly on this bike! The crank is back together in the last picture ready for the rods.
Unfortunately, I'm out of bearing shells so this will have to wait until they arrive. For now, the crank is
protected under a cover until more order arrives.
July 26, 2021 When I checked the oil pump I couldn't believe how rough it was. Today I took it apart to
see why. It looks OK, but had grit and metal filings inside - so much that it would actually catch. After
throughly cleaning it, it's still a little rough. I have another that feels good but had a casting flaw that makes
it wet sump way more than normal. I'm seeing what I can make of the two - so far it looks good but more testing
before I'll trust it. I think I have a couple more in boxes. I would prefer to not mix and match parts and
I
am keeping them separate but trying them one at a time.
July 27, 2021 I could not make the pump work to my satisfaction so I went through my boxes and found two more.
One was obviously bad but the other felt good. So, I serviced it and it works great. I guess I'm on the
lookout for oil pumps now. I have three more Norton's to build!
According to tracking, my Andover Norton order won't be here until Monday so I'll spend some time on one of the
other
bikes I'm trying to finish until then.
July 28, 2021 Some of the parts arrived today. I inspected the camshaft bushings. Both were fine but it still had
the 72-style on the timing side. To eliminate the loose thrust washer whose tab can break off and cause a terrible
engine failure, I replaced it with 06.3020 which is the later type with the thrust shoulder on the cam side. This
time it went in without problem and required no dressing once installed. I have a drift that is just right for it
and pressed it in this time. I also inspected and cleaned up the connecting rods. Both had some tiny nicks
and both were somewhat dirty - that's all correct. Once a couple more parts arrive, the bottom end can go
together.
July 29, 2021 The parts that were supposed to arrive Monday came today so made some real progress today.
July 30, 2021 Just spent a little time on it today. The timing chest is back together but I forgot to order the
blanking plate so I couldn't finish. The sprockets look dirty in the picture, but they are not. That are
stained. I considered blasting them but those stains don't hurt anything. They did get a good going over
with
WD40 and a brass brush. The bike came with a new, rubber faced timing change slipper so that's good and I believe
that the chain is new too.
July 31, 2017 Only had a little time today. Inspected the cylinders. They are nicely bored and painted
but they have quite a few paint chips, had a glued-on gasket, and were very dirty. After a great deal of gasket
scraping, I took them in the house and did what you must not do if you have a significant other!
About then, a visitor showed up so I enlisted him to help me install the cylinders. They are in place but I
haven't gone through may stock of nuts so far so they aren't locked down.
August 3, 2021 Forgot to take pictures. I didn;t find a nice set of nuts so I used a new set. The
cylinders are installed.
August 4, 2021 The cylinders were well painted but not well protected afterwards so they has some chips. I used
special cylinder paint to touch them up - they look great now.
August 7, 2021 The plate in the first picture with the arrow pointing to it had to be replaced and I've been
waiting for it to arrive. I'm installing the cNw breather in the standard 1972 engine location and this engine
had
a home grown breather attached to a modified version of that plate. Anyway, the new plate is installed so I was
ready to cleanup and installed the timing cover.
Fortunately I inspected it. In the second picture you will see a circle around a damaged area. That are is
where the high pressure from the oil pump enters the cover, flows to the seal next to it and then into the end of the
crankshaft. With that damage the oil pressure would be way below normal. In other words, that cover is junk.
Since I don;t have another good used cover, I installed a new one. It's the MKIII type with the built-in anti-wet
sump valve. They are expensive but they stop or at least slow down wet sumping. That combined with the cNw
breather means that the new owner doesn't need to worry about it.
Except for the pressure relief valve, the timing side is done. I think I got stiffed on the valve when I bought
the bike, but I have all the parts to make on if I don't have one.
Next comes the head. It's has a valve job already but I'll still take it apart an inspect - shame to have
to do
that :-(
Once the head is on, I'll rebuild the gearbox and modify the cradle to accept the oil filter. It was mid-1972
when
they started including oil filters and this bike is not drilled for it. I made a template a while back so it's
a
simple job now. Once the engine and gearbox are in the cradle it becomes the "power unit". The power
unit
will go in the frame all at once.
August 8, 2021 TToday started with a simply plan! I was going to strip, inspect, beautify, and then install the
head. Then I was going to finish wiring the Triumph Trident I almost have done. That didn’t work out too well!
The first picture shows the head as I got it. It has new valves and guides, but was not cleaned. I expected to be able
to take it apart, put it through my process, and put it back together in about four hours. Took 12!
In the second picture, you can see what look like sand on the rocker shaft. All four had that. I figure that the engine
would have eaten itself alive within a very short time! OK, issue averted, just get the valves out, make it pretty and
clean and put it back together. The first three valves whet fine. The timing-side intake valve would not come out. It
has a nick on the side. I worked for a long time dressing that nick thinking that it happened after the valve was in –
wrong! Once I got the valve out I could see the score in the guide where the valve was pushed in with the nick already
there. Fortunately, I had a matching valve and guide so I changed them.
Each of the valves still had residue of grinding compound and engineer’s blue. After thoroughly cleaning all the
internal components, I went to work making the head look good. It came out nice. The head is back together but I ran out
of steam to install it. Probably do that tomorrow.
August 11, 2021. The head is on but not torqued and the two upward facing long bolts need to be restored before installing.
Since the engine is on a "lazy susan" it spins easily to work on it, but there's no way to torque.
Everything is tight enough to turn the engine over without problem.
August 12, 2021 Re-plated the upward facing head nuts and the intake value cover stud. Also polished
the intake calve cover. It has on small spot I could not get out, but that adds to the originality - it looks good.
The studs for the exhaust covers are very rusty so I'll probably replace them rather than plate them. The
engine is ready to go into the cradle.
I checked out the cradle before starting to restore it - BAD! The spindle for the swingarm is not snug in the
tube. Fortunately, I have a collection of cradles. The one I chose was the dirtiest I had, but is in good
shape except the dirty, grease, and grime. It is from a 74 so it has the upgraded center stand mounts and the oil
filter mount. Both will save me time since now I don't have to have to modify the one that came with the bike.
I started blasting it today but ran out of steam. Hopefully I'll have it ready to paint Sunday when the weather
is
supposed ot be nice again. I may not wait and do it in my powder coat cabinet like I"ve done before.
August 13, 2021 Start on the gearbox. When I took it apart to clean the cases, it still had the layshaft
ball bearing so I installed the new roller bearing. I should have checked the sleeve gear bearing but didn't
bother because I always have new ones in stock - I'm out of stock :-(. So, I'm stuck on the gearbox until
the
bearing arrives. Finished blasting and preparing the cradle for paint.
August 14, 2021 The weather is still bad for painting outside so I painted the cradle in my powder coat cabinet.
Once it's dry I'll inspect. Most likely, it will need more - hard to see when painting in the cabinet.
Unfortunately, the paint I"m using requires a long cure time before re-coating so if I missed any spots it will be
a while
before it is done.
August 15, 2021 As expected, I missed an area on the cradle. The sleeve gear bearing arrived and was
installed without issue. Inspected all parts. All gears and shafts are good but all had grit on them and the
mainshaft timing side ball bearing was no good. Cleaned everything and replaced the bearing. From there, it
went together without issue. I have it together enough to check/correct the end-float in the layshaft - sorry, forgot to
take
pictures.
I'm almost finished with the Trident that on the table I need for this bike. Once I get that done and the cradle
paint done, this will quickly start looking like a motorcycle!
August 16, 2021
The gearbox is done except for the outer cover. This bike didn't come with one so I went through my stash of
covers and found the nicest one. It took a long time to polish but it looks good now. They are always a
challenge because the outer surface is always porous and they get scratched a lot. Not sure why they are more porous
than the primary or timing covers, but they always are.
Fortunately I have one good set of parts for the outer cover. One of the
harder Norton jobs is to get the gear change mechanism to work right. I hope
to get that done tomorrow. Then, once I’m able to finish painting the
cradle, the gearbox and engine can go in it.
August 17, 2021 I must be living right! First the gearbox went together and was able to shift on the first try, and then
the outer cover when on without trouble the shift mechanism worked properly on the first try! So, all bearings changed,
couple of bushings changed and all seals changed.
Also, had some help so the head is now torqued, the valves adjusted, and the rocker covers polished and installed.
August 22, 2021 The cradle is ready. The holdup now is getting an empty table. I'm missing a couple of parts
for the Trident that is on one, and a couple of parts for my Norton rider that is on the other. As soon as one of
those is off it's table, this will go one. I hope in the next few days. I have three partial bikes in the
way that
I"m going to move outside once I have some help. Most of what's left on the Trident could be done on
the floor if I had any available floor space - mostly wiring.
September 5, 2021 The Trident hidden behind the cradle is done except a could of minor touches and it is sold.
The one hidden by the engine came off the table today - the only things left are easier done with it on the floor.
So, we are getting back on track with this bike. Went through everything than came with the bike today looking for
the center stand. I always use the later pivots and I"ll need to open the holes on the cradle (if not already
done) and on the center stand. It didn't come with a center stand :-(. I ordered one tonight so I have to wait for
that to arrive to setup the cradle for it. I think the cradle is already done, but without the bushings I can't
be
sure and it's too hard to do when the power until is together. The cradle that came with this bike is bent so
I
checked and restored. Once I have the center stand worked out, I'll install the vernier rear isolastic.
September 7, 2021 Making progress while waiting for parts. The triple tree is powder coated and ready to
install. The swingarm is ready to go on. The front isolastic mount is powder coated. The forks are apart
and inspected. The components look good and I've done the first pass of polishing the sliders. For some
reason, they are being a little difficult. I think they may have been vapor blasted - they are very smooth and
dull. They are normally easy to polish.
September 8, 2021 The fork sliders took forever to get to this stage. They need a little more. The one
on the left is even but should be a little more polished. The one on the right would be OK but there are some
bands across it where the shine is greater. The triple tree is powder coated.
September 9, 2021 The AN order arrived today. Now I can fit the center stand to the cradle and I have the steering
bearings so I can press them in. Plan to install the frame this weekend.
September 10. 2021 The center stand temporarily mated to the cradle. The holes in the swingarm are power coated so
getting the pivots through the holes is impossible without removing the powder coat. You don't want to make the
hole in the metal any bigger so it's a tedious job with a X-Acto knife. At least the cradle is one that is already
modified for the later improved bushings so I didn't have to do that. It would be nice to actually install
the center stand now, but it's too hard to get the frame on the power unit with it installed - the same is true of the
swingarm.
Be sure to check back tomorrow. Before we had TV we listened to the radio and there was a Tennessee Earnie Ford variety
show. He ended the show with something
like: "I'll see you next week if the good lord's willing and the creek don't rise", later he had a
TV show and did the same if I remember right. So, if nothing special happens, there will be real progress tomorrow!
September 11, 2021 Remember...
Well, some things did happen so the progress is less than expected. In the first picture you can see that the
vernier isolastics are installed and the gearbox is in the cradle. I re-plated all the gearbox mounting hardware this
morning and found as nice set of engine mounting studs and nuts, and got them cleaned up ready to marry the engine to the
cradle.
That's when people started unexpectedly arriving. When that was over I started to get the engine out of the stand
when I realized that the crankcase breather was not installed OR ORDERED! Stuck again!
So, I went ahead and prepared the frame. My goal today was for the power unit to be in the frame today :-(.
In the second picture you can see the new certification label installed. and the bearings going into the headstock.
That's a large bolt with washers that are slightly smaller than the OD of the bearings. By tightening the nut
the
bearings are pressed into place with no possibility of damage - works perfectly every time.
September 12, 2021
Weird issue day! Continued polishing the fork sliders. Generally, I can see myself in them with no more than
as hour's effort. These have probably four hour - look good - but not super shiny. The super shiny doesn't
last long anyway but I have no idea why this set is so hard to polish.
The next weird thing is that when we put
the non-disc side together, the tube would get stuck in the bottom. it was completely free and smooth all the way
to the bottom and then wouldn't pull out. The tubes and bushings are new. After a lot of study, decided
to change parts one as a time starting with the bottom bushing retaining
circlip. It was clearly not new, but looked fine. That fixed it! I've done lots of these forks and
never had a problem before. Both sides are excellent now.
September 13, 2021 Went through my cache of instrument holders and found two good ones - they polished up nicely.
I need to send the instrument themselves off to be restored. Then went through parts and found a MKIII head
steady. Took that apart and blasted the body so I can powder coat it. Also cleaned and blasted the battery
box.
September 21, 2021 No, I haven't forgotten this bike! The breather arrived yesterday, but I had a problem with
the
gaskets and had to order more. Also, I didn't realize that I was out of 3/8" oil hose so that's coming
tomorrow.
September 30, 2021 Finally! TheUSPS took from 9/21/21 to today to bring me a simple envelope with replacement
gaskets for the breather in the first picture. It's and expensive upgrade but well worth it. Nortons are
bad
about "wet sumping". This is where the oil from the tank seeps past the oil pump and fills the crankcase.
Besides making it harder to start, that oil sometimes forces the crankshaft seal to the primary to push out resulting in
an oily mess. Since I installed a MKIII timing cover, this bike is less likely to have the problem; but British
bikes tend to leak. A reed valve breather eliminates the crankcase pressure and makes leaks less likely.
In the second picture, I have joined the cradle to the engine and laid it on is side on a thick piece of foam.
In the third picture, I have lowered the frame over the power until and installed the rear isolastic stud and the front
isolastic; and then, set the bike upright. Now we should start seeing steady progress.
October 1, 2021 Installing Norton forks is not hard if you do it in the right order. If you don't you'll
have
loads of trouble and probably handling problems. Rather than a bunch of pictures, I"m going to describe the
process. With forks ready to be installed and the headstock bearings in place, this is the procedure.
- Slide the headlug dust cover (06.7651) onto the top half of the triple tree (yoke). Make sure the right side
is up.
- Slide the washer (06.7685) onto the top half of the triple tree.
- Slide the top half of the triple tree into the headstock and make sure it goes all the way down.
- Slide the bottom half of the triple tree onto the top half shaft but only enough to have a few threads stick out on
the bottom.
- Slide the tab washer (06.1912) onto the shaft followed by the nut (06.7781). Do not tighten the nut, just put in
on 2-3 turns.
- Now for the tricky part!. Put two o-rings (06.1900) in each side of the bottom triple tree one on top of the
other with some grease to
hold them in place.
- Put one o-ring (06.1900) in each side of the the underside the the top triple tree - use enough grease to ensure that
it stays in place.
- Then one side at a time hold the correct side fork ear (06.2028/9) in place and slide the fork in form the bottom
being sure that the o-rings are not displaced. When all the way in, put a top bolt (06.0345) through a
washer (06.0345) and then through a instrument holder and into the fork. Finger tighten.
- Once both sides are in, you must install the headlight shell! If you don't you won't be able to after the
next
step!
- Tighten the bottom nut until it is just snug.
- Put the bottom axle in to keep the sliders from turning.
Now is time to true the forks. The first picture shows how I check that today. You can also slight across
them. With the glass held against the forks if one of the corners has a gap, it must the corrected. As each
thing is tightened, recheck/correct. First tighten the top bolts to about 20ft lbs. Then the bottom nut to
about 20 ft lbs. At this point, the forks will be all the way up and so will the bottom of the triple tree.
Tighten the bottom triple tree cap screws to about 10 ft lbs. Tighten the top for bolts to 30-40 ft lbs.
Remember - keep checking! Tighten the bottom nut to 25-30 ft lbs. Tighten the cap screw pinch bolts to 30 ft
lbs.
Later when you put the front wheel on, do one final check.
The second picture shows me tightening the slider collars. I just make the hand tight when working on the forks
off the bike - too hard to hold onto. Once on the bike, the bike holds them and makes it easy. The same is
true of the damper bolts from the bottom. I'll tighten them to 10 ft lbs before installing the wheel. Also,
the forks have no oil right now. I'll remove the top nuts (they are not connected to the dampers. That makes
it a lot easies to get the oil in. I'll just pour it in, wait for the oil to drain down into the sliders and push
up on the forks and screw the damper rods to the top bolts.
Swingarm tomorrow.
October 2, 2021 Although the picture below doesn;t show a lot of progress, plenty was made. The swingarm
with all new parts i installed as are the shocks. The shock came with the bike and are Hagon. I'm concerned
that the bottom portion is too short and will interfere with the chainguard. I'll have to check that before
finalizing the shocks installation. This is a common problem. If they do interfere I have a new set of
Girling shocks meant for Commandos that I'll install.
I already powder coated the head steady. Today I cleaned up the other parts, plated some, and painted some.
That can be installed tomorrow. I started looking at the wheels today. They came with new Avon tires, but the
previous owner put them on without cleaning the wheels there are a few rust spots on the rims - real shame as the are
original rims and spokes.
A couple of people invited themselves to visit me tomorrow. One job I'm not strong enough to do alone on a Norton
is install the center stand. They don't know it yet but visitors much work!
October 3, 2021 The visitors stopped by and helped me install the center stand. I checked the chainguard
clearance against the rear shocks - there's no problem. Decided to rebuild the front wheel. Taking the tire
off, the spokes off, and polishing the hub took five hours! You can see the before and after hub below.
Being a perfectionist is not good for the next part of the job. There's no such tings as a perfect truing job.
The lacing is not particularly hard but the truing is tedious, especially for a perfectionist!
October 4, 2021 Annoying! Annoying! Annoying! Got all setup to build the front wheel and laid the spokes out
(four different lengths/bends) and got out the nipples. That's when I realized that I had no nipples for the
disc-side spokes. The two Commando spokes sets and nipples came in the same padded mailer but the contents were
wrong! Call England right away but they were closed for the day so I've emailed them - hopefully they will ship
quickly.
I did get the front fender stays blasted and painted and I finished (I hope) blasting the battery tray. It was basically
done but oil leached out from the joints so I blasted again. Tomorrow I'll heat it in the oven and see if more comes
out. Then I went to install the head steady and realized that I didn't have the through studs so they
are ordered now too. That's one of the problems buying a partly built bike - the owner always thinks they are more complete
than they are!
Today would have been my wife's 78th birthday. Happy birthday Madeline - wish you were here.
October 5, 2021 The battery tray did leach more oil so I send and blasted it again. Disassembled the rear
wheel to get the hub ready to build a new wheel.
October 6, 2021 The battery tray is now powder coated and in place. It won't be fully installed until the
z-plates are on, but it is required for installing the rear fender. Removed the bearings from the rear hub and
put it through the process to make it look new and then installed new bearings and felt seals. I have everything to
build it so I'll do that next. Along
the way, I'll improve this page: Rear Wheel Lacing
October 11, 2021 Forgot to update on the 8th. The rear wheel is built. The proper nipples are on their
way from the UK for the front wheel and an AN order arrived Saturday so I have the parts I know I need for this bike.
Haven't done much in the past few days as I had two bikes come in the be fixed.
October 19. 2021 One thing after another has gotten in the way. Finally made some progress worth showing.
The horn is installed in the normal location but it's not a stock horn - this one is much smaller and many times louder.
The rear fender and rear wheel are installed. The hub is new and takes a 520 chain as does the front sprocket.
This eliminates the chain interference problems and since it will be a x-ring chain, all but eliminates the chain
maintenance. Unfortunately, I needed a 98 link change but have a 100 link. I'll either order a 98 or cut
the
one I have. Once the chain and chainguard are on I'll install the primary. Could do that now, but the chain
and chainguard are much easier to deal with the primary off. The rear axle is new, stainless, and one piece.
Both fenders are new polished stainless. The nipples for the front wheel are arriving tomorrow so I can get back on that
soon.
October 21, 2021 Shortened the chain and installed it and the chain guard. Forgot to take pictures. Nipples
still not here.
October 24, 2021 Front wheel misery! First, the nipples didn't arrive until the 22nd.
The nipples arrived and started building the front wheel two days ago. When all the
spokes were in, it was obvious that something was wrong. The non-disc inner spokes were too short on the short bent end.
Since they came with the rim, it took quite a while to convince myself that it was the spokes that were wrong – not me.
I had another set of the same spokes and tried to use a different spoke to replace them – no joy.
Then I had a set of
spokes that came with a rim from a different manufacturer but I sold the rim and still had the spokes. These were all
10ga so half of the nipples wouldn’t fit.
I looked around and found another set. Before trying them I removed enough
spokes from another OEM front wheel to test each of those. The all were the right length including the bent end, but the
bends were wrong for all outer spokes. So the disc side spokes needed to be bent a little more and the non-disc a little
less. I rigged up some channel locks and rubber so I could bend them correctly without damage, bent, tried again, bent,
tried again and so on until I had them all right. Took forever!
Then I built the wheel and started truing. Generally on
a Norton front wheel you leave the non-disc side loose, get rid of the hop and make them true with a zero offset using
only the disc side. Then bring the offset to a half inch using the non-disc side. For some reason, this was not working
so I did the sides in stages. Surprisingly, this wheel came out the best I’ve ever done on a Norton front! It measures
.005” of maximum hop and .008” of out of true – the rims are not perfect enough to do better than that and that’s way
better than is usually done.
Mounted the tire and was then out of steam for the day. If nothing gets is the way tomorrow, the jack will come
out from under the bike and it will be a "roller".
October 26, 2021 This is always a big event. The bike is standing on its own and could be rolled around. The front
fender is new and was a little fiddley to get mounted but it’s aligned really well. My heart sunk when I realized that
he rear fender is drilled for the later tail light :-) Not sure if the missing holes can be drilled or if I need to
order a new fender – I didn’t double check myself – I thought it was an earlier fender. Now that the bikes is on its
wheels I noticed that both tires touch while on the center stand. The shocks that came with it are 13.5" center of
eye
to center of eye – they are supposed to be 13". I’m not sure if that would make a big difference, but I will check
it
out. Norton rear wheels are usually barely off the ground.
The second picture shows the caliper body as it arrived with the bike - it needs all internals and a new outer plug.
You'll be surprised the next time I show it.
October 27, 2021 Looked at the taillight parts that came with the bike - not good! The fiberglass housing looks OK
from a distance but up close it has lots of hairline cracks and the threads are in poor condition. I have another
one that is in very good shape structurally but dull. I'll look into polishing or painting it. The metal
part where the license plate goes is mangled. I straightened it enough to see if the fender will be alright after
drilling two holes - seems fine. I'll have to order the metal part. The taillight assembly itself seems
OK.
October 28, 2021 The caliper is now pretty, but I found a problem with it.
Norton calipers are notoriously hard to get the inside chamber to bleed due to the way fluid gets to it and air gets
out - the same 7/64" hole! When they drilled this one they stopped sort - the bit barely went into the chamber
and
it left a piece of metal stuck to the edge of the hole. When I ran a safety wire through the hole the piece
of metal popped off - amazing that it held on for about 50 years! The safety wire would barely go through to the
chamber - the opening was about 1/32". I'm not sure it ever was properly bled. I tried to take
pictures but couldn't get the problem to show.
It's easy to fix but I had to
order a long 7/64" drill bit as the only long one I had was 1/8" - the hole starts in the bleed screw hole and
I don't
want to damage that seat. The bit should be here Saturday. It only takes a few minutes to rebuild one once
it is pretty and this problem is solved.
October 29, 2021 It turns out that the bike only came with one z-plate and that was in terrible condition.
So, I went through my stash and found two usable but pretty ugly. I have server that were poorly chromed that I
keep forgetting to put in the recycle bin. So, I started sanding and then buffing the worst of the two I found.
Took a couple of hours to get it looking good. I'll work on the other tomorrow. Spoke with the customer and
decided on which handlebars. I'll need them soon because after the caliper, I'll restore the master cylinder
and
finish the front brake.
November 1, 2021 The first picture shows the master cylinder I started with. It doesn't show in the picture, but
it
was full of mud. The second picture shows the master cylinder restored and the caliper ready to assemble. I
did finish the caliper and pre-bleed the caliper. The Norton caliper is very difficult to bleed so here's how
I
do it when I have one apart:
- Soak the seals in brake fluid.
- Install the bleed screw.
- Put an 3/8" x 24 bolt in the feed hole to block it (this is temporary until the caliper, master cylinder, and hose
are
installed.
- Install the inner seal.
- Put the caliper on it's back (like in the picture).
- Put about 3/8" of fluid in the inner cavity.
- Push the inner piston into place. Brake fluid will squirt all over the place so push slowly.
- Install the outer seal.
- Push the outer piston into place.
- Loosen the 3/8" x 24 bolt a little and fill the outer cavity with brake fluid to about 1/4" from the top.
- Put the seal on the plug and screw it in. Fluid will squirt out around the 3/8" x 24 bolt.
- Snug the bolt. The caliper is now full of fluid and had no air - final bleeding is easy once installed on the
bike!
November 4, 2021 Every day there's something to sort out on this bike! The bike came with a new Sparx rotor and stator.
The rotor's center hole is deformed and although the old nut could be screwed in, a new one could not and the rotor had
about .005" of wobble. So, I installed a new Lucas rotor. The Sparx stator is fine.
The bike came with two sets of clutch plates and two pressure plates – one early (thick) and one later (thin). The
earlier set had new fiber plates but one used bronze plate. The later has all used bronze plates in good shape. The
stack height is not ideal with either set. So, more investigation is needed - I'll check all for flatness and decide
what to do. Early or late is OK as long as the clutch works properly and doesn't require superman to pull.
I did use the 850-style tab washer on the clutch center nut. In 72 they used a lock washer and nut but I like the
assurance of a tab washer. I also used a new nut and "shakeproof" washer on the rotor.
November 5, 2021 Took forever but the bike now has a great clutch. I can just pull it with my index finger and
with index and middle, it's easy.
Threw out several of the plain plates that came with the bike – warped. Went through all the friction plates that came
with it and all the new and good ones I had. I found a bronze matched set of plain plates, and pressure plate that came
out with the perfect stack height. I had a cNw clutch pushrod seal so I installed that - not sure they are needed
with a standard clutch, but couldn't hurt.
Still have to polish the cover and check the timing marks before I can close up the primary.
November 6, 2021 Time to check the timing marks. To do that on a Norton, you first have to put the engine at to dead center
(TDC). The first picture shows how I setup a dial indicator to do that. Once at TDC, you align the Andover Norton tool
long slots with the two timing marks on the rotor. Then put the primary cover on and look at the marks. The second picture
shows them off ever so slightly – nothing to worry about. But notice how torn up the little degree plate is – it's even
worse on the back side but I didn't think I had one so I was going to go with it for now and order one.
This primary cover didn't come with the bike. The one that did looked really good but probably was dropped since it had
a small chunk out of the sealing surface on the bottom. This one came from a bike
that the rotor came loose on – that's why the degree plate is messed up. Otherwise it's decent shape and doesn't have the
normal foot peg dent. It does have lots of tiny dents some of which came out during sanding and buffing.
I went in the house
for a break and added the degree plate to my next order when I was told that I already had two! So, I changed it. The
third picture shows that I was able to get the replacement to exactly line up when I rechecked the marks and it shows the
partly buffed cover.
The fourth picture shows the primary all done. The buff is not a high polish job but it does show four hours of effort
and you can see lots of copies of me taking the picture.
According to UPS tracking the oil tank will be back from cNw on Tuesday. With that I can finsih the plumbing on
this bike and put my rider back together as well. Tomorrow I'll tackle the second z-plate polish and try to get
them installed.
November 7, 2021 Had a bunch of non-motorcycle work to get done today, but did get some time on it. Spent a
long time finding the special spacers I had made for the drive side z-plate. These set the plate out a little from
normal and give the rear brake cable the room it needs to keep from chafing. I hate it when I put things were they
won't be lost and then forget where that is! Installed the timing side z-plate without problem. Then I
forgot that I needed longer bolts for the drive side :-(. I've ordered some. I found a usable timing side
foot peg mount but it had the foot prg broken off in it. Took a lot of drilling and fussing to finally get it out.
Then I realized that the bike didn't come with the studs to mount the foot peg mounts. Those can be replaced with
5/16"-18 bolts 1-1/8" long, but of course, I'm out of those. Oh well, there are plenty of other things to
do while I wait for parts.
November 8, 2021 The bike didn;t come wiht coils or the coil mount so I went through my stock and found a matched
set of Lucas 17M6 is good condition and tested them - they are good. Found a coil mount, blasted and powder coated
it. The coils are installed. Then I realized that I have three bikes to wire right now, so I inventoried my
waire and connectors and places an order for what I need. The long pole is the fuse holder - they are no longer
available unwired and they don't come with the right color wire. I'll have to figure out what to do about
that!
November 10, 2021 I forgot to update yesterday but I did get some things done then and today. The oil tanks arrived from
cNw so I was able to installed the one for this bike and finish the main plumbing. Still have to run the rocker feed and
I have to see if I have all the parts to make an oil pressure relief valve – the bike came without one.
The bolt came in so the z-plates are now fully installed and the timing side footpeg is temporarily installed – still
waiting for the proper studs for the foot pegs. I needed to install it because the threads were catching when I tried to
screw in the actual peg so I needed to chase the threads - much easier with it mounted. The chrome is no perfect on it,
but there is no rust. The drive side is another matter. It came with two foot peg mounts and two rear brake pedals – all
rusty.
I restored the clutch side switch console and it and the clutch lever are installed. Still need to restore the throttle
side so I can mount the master cylinder and caliper.
The coil mount is powder coated, the coils are installed along with the jumper between them, and the MKIII-type head
steady is install. The head steady will need to be adjusted once it comes off the table – can't do it while on the
center stand.
November 11, 2021 The plumbing is done. You'll probably notice a little wiring is happening as well. I restored
the master cylinder switch console housing, internal, and cable, but I'm missing the correct flip lever to put it
together - I probably have one, just need to go through boxes (what's new). Venhill made the crossover rocker
pipe
a little long this time, So I'll come up with a rubber sleeve for it so it won't rub on the frame - it won't
be seen.
I plan to install the Tri-Spark ignition tomorrow if I can find some proper black/white wire. I have an order on
the way of everything I need to wire all three bikes except the black/white wire and the fuse holders - British Wiring
is out of stock on both and I haven't found another source so far.
November 12, 2021 I made some progress today. The switch consoles are done and the wires run to the headlight
shell. Therefore the master cylinder is installed as is the caliper and it's all bled. I said before that the
bike came with two terrible drive side foot peg/rear brake pedal. On closer inspection one foot peg is not bad and
the other brake pedal is not bad. Neither is perfect but at the cost of new - I'm sure they will be fine.
They are certainly better tan the ones on my rider! Spent a while cleaning and polishing them and will install once
the studs I ordered arrive..
November 15, 2021 Some parts arrived so the foot pegs and rear brake as all installed.
November 19, 2021 I've been on some tangents the last few days. I finally found some black/white wire so the Tri-Spark
ignition is installed, tested, and statically timed and I’ve started the rest of the wiring.
November 20, 2021
Simple jobs – not always simple! This not so simple job is quite the scenario that built on several factors.
- The bike came with a giant carb that left no room for the "hamcan" air filter, so it came with no filter parts.
There was also no room for hte batter box due to the Harley oil tank is came with but it did come with a batter box.
- The battery box support arms were bent and it was a rusty mess. I already straightened, powder coat, and installed it.
- I mount the Tri-Spark MOSFET rectifier/regulator (regulator) on the back of the rear air filer housing.
Since I'm wiring, it was time to mount the regulator so I could route the wires. That's when the long slog started! It's
often the case that mounting the air filter rear housing is fiddly but this time it would not fit at all. Turns out that
the battery box was way too high in the front and the housing top mount was bent way out of shape. Since the battery box
is a part of the rear fender mount it's no little matter to getting it right. Once that was corrected I started working
on getting the top mount correct. That wasn't hard. Then I needed to be sure, considering what I just went through, that
the actual air filer fits and that the ignition switch mount was correct. No way! The tabs for the through bolts were
way off and the ignition switch arm was very screwed up.
The picture shows it all fixed and together. Now I can powder coat the housing back and finally install it. It's not noticeable,
but this is my narrow air cleaner. Looks exactly like the OEM filter but is about 1" narrower so changing is it simple.
November 23, 2021 Lots of things going on but I'v only done a little on this bike. Most of the wires are run but not terminated. The Regulator is installed so I can figure out where those wires end.
December 4, 2021 I found a new way to (actually re-found) keep from getting things done! Went for Thanksgiving with family last Wednesday and that night we went to a packed bar to watch my Grandson perform. Thanksgiving Day was great and I felt good. Friday morning I woke up with a dry cough - didn't seem like a big deal and I felt fine otherwise. I was driving home mid-day and the cough kept getting worse. On the way I stopped at the grocery store and my office to get the AN and Wassell parts that had arrived that day. By the time I got home I was having real trouble breathing so I got ready in case I needed to go to the ER. About 6pm, it was clear and I headed there. While waiting in line to check in, I was struggling and a security guard saw that and grabbed a wheelchair – as he came up behind me I took my last breath. I came to in a little while with an O2 mask and two IVs. I got home from the hospital around 6pm Tuesday. I'm still a long way from perfect, but I'm doing OK.
It was not COVID, FLU, or pneumonia. I never had a fever.<
I needed the tail light on to work on that wiring and when I tried ot mock I up, I realized that I had installed the later rear fender. The easy thing would have been to drill the missing holes, but that would have left extra hole and I don't do things like that. So, I ordered a fender along with the missing taillight parts. Put that fender one and couldn't get the taillight fairing on. After a lot of fiddling, got it all together and properly lines up. The fairing cutout was too tight and the two small holes for the fairing in the fender were not in exactly the right places. Everything must be worked out a little at a time and it is all good now. Also restored the rusty parts of an original taillight I had so once the wiring is done it can all go together.<
The second picture is of a "Christmas Cactus" that has been sitting on my dining room table (or should I say parts table) for many years. People always assume that I don't take care of it but I have for probably 18 years. This is the first time it has bloomed anywhere near Christmas but it usually blooms once or twice a year. I don't do anything to make it bloom. When it looks really dehydrated, I give it a drink, sometimes with a little plant food – that's why people think I don't take care of it. If you over water them they die because the roots rot.
December 10, 2021 I've probably mentioned before that I've gone crazy! I have three more bikes on the way along with a pile of parts in boxes about 8 feet long, 4 feet high, and 3 feet wide. There was no way that would all fit. So, I've spent a lot of time rearranging, throwing away, and organizing. Then, last night my stepson helped me move the bikes around to put them order of how I will work them. Also, the 69S that I was working for a customer is now mine and on a back burner so it's off the stand. When the bikes and parts get here, I will go through all the boxes, put clean things in clean bins, label and put them in the house.
One of the bikes coming is a very nice 69S and the owner of this bike is buying that too. Now if I could just get someone interested in the most desirable Triumph, the beautiful 70 Bonneville I built – I might have enough room to move! Another of the bikes coming is built as a Fastback LR – and is also very nice. It shouldn't need much. The other is yet another Combat Roadster – it will be on a backburner unless someone commits to buy it.
I hope to finish the wiring on this bike this weekend. After that, its carbs and exhaust to get it off the bench - those I have in stock. I still need a tank and side panels to send off to be painted.
December 12, 2021 I took my last steriod yesterday so I'm no longer in superman mode, I'm back to old man. I didn't quite finish, but the wiring harness is made, circuits tested and installed. The taillight is fully installed now and tested. I have quite a few wires to terminate and connect but that's the easy part. I spent a LOT of time working out what to do about a fuse holder since they are no longer available. I finally found one at an auto parts that looks about the same but is heavier duty. Unfortunatley, it already has wires. It took forever, but I was able to un-crimp the wires so I can use the proper colors (Brown/Blue).
December 13, 2021 Stuck again! Wiring going fine until I started on the master switch - the new one I have is not marked (which terminal is which). No biggie, just check with an ohmmeter – nope – the switch is no good! No problem, I have more in stock and they are genuine Lucas. Next problem – they come without the keys and lock and I'm out of those. So, I placed an order.
I'm glad this happened – I forgot that the ones I bought were junk and the genuine Lucas are quite good.
Also found out today the EMGO Roadster tanks are due in January and the UK made side panels in February. I have the tank and side panels on backorder and they will be drop shipped to the painter. With a little luck, the red set for this bike will be here in February. Along the way, I'm buying extra sets so I have them when I need them
December 16, 2021 I've sorted through most of the parts that arrived with the big shipment and I got the lock and keys today and finished wiring the master switch. Everything in the battery area is done and power is getting to everything it should. Just need to finish the headlight wiring.
December 17, 2021 Had a IT business mess today so never got started. Hopefully I'll have a productive weekend.
December 19, 2021 Finished sorting and putting things away. Filled my recycle tote, my neighbors recycle tote, and four giant lawn and leaf bags with all the packing!
Then I got back to wiring. I still have the front brake switch and speedo/tach harnesses to make but otherwise the wiring is finished and everything works.
Remembered today that I have to send the speedo and tach for this bike and for a Trident that's almost done being rebuilt. My guy is quick so it shouldn't slow things down.
The mounting brackets for the exhaust arrived Wednesday so I can install that now and I have a new set of premier carbs set aside for this bike so I'm getting there.
December 20, 2021 The wiring is done and I've started on the exhaust. I don't know if it really helps, but I've always painted the inside of new exhaust pipes with high temp white or silver paint. An old guy told me to do it in abour 1970 and I've been doing it ever since.
I did these with Rustoleum Ultra High Temp silver paint. I force rags through them soaked in acetone to make sure there is no oil. Then I spray in both ends and turn every which way and repeat four times. You can see them under the bike propped up so that any runs inside go where more paint is useful.
December 21, 2021 Installed the exhaust today. The pipes and mufflers are both from EMGO and are very high quality. You certainly can't say that about all their products but you sure can about these!
December 22, 2021 If I weren't so old and could actually do it I would kick myself in the ass! Got out the set of carbs I've been saving for this bike - new Amal Premier PACK 140 which is correct for a 72 Combat.
Problem 1: Amal was supplying all carbs for 750s with #17 pilot jets and #19 for 850s. The Combat really wants #19. I sold my last set of #19. They are hard to find on the web, easy from Amal and they are expensive from Amal but ridiculously expensive from others. Today, Amal supplies #19 for all Nortons and for Triumph 650/750 so I didn't worry about ordering more. I can get around it because I have several sets of carbs in stock that I will use later on so I can get a set from of those sets. Of course I spent a long time looking for them before I realized that.
Problem 2: This bike came with two intake manifolds, but they were mismatched (fortunately I caught it). Norton made at least three versions: 30mm x 30mm, 32mm x 30mm, and 32mm x 32mm. I have quite a few manifolds, some as they came from the factory and some opened up with a Dremel. The Combat is supposed to have 32mm x 32mm and after sorting through all my parts I found a pair, an ugly pair so I've started cleaning them up. The thing that makes this hard is that none of the factory manifolds were actually the sizes listed and they seemed to change over time. For instance the 30mm x 30m are actually supposed to be 1-3/16” x 1-1/8” (28.6mm x 30.2 mm), and the 30mm x 32mm are no longer sold.
December 24, 2021 I was about to say something that wouldn't make a lot of sense because I never show what I started with on this bike. It had a pair of gigantic racing carbs and a goofy chopper oil tank along with the rest of what you see in the next picture and the following compilation of pictures. After those two, the narration continues...
So, the bike had no carbs, oil tank; and, a lot of other things it had were junk.
The intake manifolds are restored and the new Premier carbs have been throughly checked, pre-set, and installed. Also fiinished the breather line routing today.
This is kind of a big day for this bike for two reasons:
- With some throttle cables and fuel lines - it could run!
- For those wondering what it costs to do this - I now have over $8000 in cost in this bike. The only big costs left are paint which will be around $1000 if I don't have to ship a tank. I'm hoping the the EMGO tanks will be available at JRC early next month and they can drop some to my painter. Shipping a tank to CA now costs about $100. The side covers are already there.
I was stuck again today on customer IT problems. I plan to make the throttle cables tomorrow, install the fuel lines, make the battery hold down, and restore the passenger pegs. Other than double checking things, and the tank and side covers, that should be it for this bike until I can test it and tune it.
Good thing becuase I've over promised for late spring. This is what I can remember of the top of my head (have a spreadsheet with it all).
- Finish this one.
- Make sure the 69S is ready for the owner of this bike - it has quite an oil leak - I hope it's not the crankcase seam!
- Build a 73 850 from a customer's basket case
- Fix an 850 with a smoking left cylinder
- Install a cNw e-start
- Finish the T150V I was working on when this all started
It would be nice to finish putting my 74 850 rider back together so I could go for a ride sometimes! I was spot painting and doing things like replacing the isolastics when I got to busy to work on it.
December 25, 2021 Merry Christmas, especially to those alone with nothing better to do than work on bikes!
Well, I got part of what I planned done. The fuel lines are installed. When I got the passenger pegs out to restore them I realized that they were too far gone. The mounts were damaged and very rusty and the pegs were almost rusted through. So, I went through boxes and bins and found three pairs – all needed to be restored. Last time, I simply powder coated them and that was a mistake since they would not go together correctly. So, here's the process I used this time.
- Cut the rubber off, took them apart, and sandblasted. Six pegs came out good. One mount had bad threads and I couldn't get them to clean up, so I only had five good mounts.
- Tin/Zinc plated them. Since they pivot on bare metal, the plating will help stop rust.
- Powder coated the pegs – the first picture shows them hanging in my cabinet waiting to have the powder applied.
- Masked the mounts and powder coated them.
- Since the powder doesn't get inside the tube part of the peg or in the swivel surface, I used pipe cleaners to paint the insides. This will keep them from rusting inside and rust dripping out on the mounts.
- The second picture shows the pegs and mounts almost done. I put a thin coat of black paint on the bar metal of the mounts. It won't hurt anything and will wear off where the actual swiveling happen. Of course I'll use a little grease when I assemble them.
Sometimes the littlest things take mosts of time! At least I have one extra complete set ready for the next bike and 3/4 of another ready.
Dec 26, 2021 Pretty, even if I do say so myself! While gathering everything to make the throttle cable I realized that I'm out of single-pull twist grips – there has always got to be something to slow me down! I did a bunch of little things today. The passenger pegs, gearshift and kick start levers, and the rest of the rubbers are installed. The points cover is polished and installed.
December 27 2021 I realized this morning that I could temporarily use a dual-pull Amal-type twist grip to make the cables and switch it later, so I did. The carbs are synced now. I may not update this for a while now. I need the speedo/tach back and the tank and side covers to finish but otherwise everything that needs to be done on the table is done. I'll probably try to make headway on the basket case I need to build and on the 69S.
January 21, 2022 I expected the tanks to be available by now but still no. Now it's the first week of Feb. I have five ordered so I won't get into waiting game again - at least for the current builds. The side covers for this bike are already at the painter's.
January 25, 2022 Click here for a general update on the parts I've been waiting for..
January 29, 2020 The speedometer and tachometer are back from Vintage British Cables and as usual they are beautiful. He tank and side covers are being painted so we're getting close to starting this bike. Sill need to go over everything to be sure all is tight and once off the table recheck the chain adjustment.
The guy buying this bike is also buying a 69S – that will go on the table once this one is down. The bike appears to be perfect, but it leaks pretty bad so I at least have to fix that.
February 5, 2022 I've gone over everything. It's time to get it off the table and once it warms up put a temporary tank on it and get it tested. Right now I'm so packed in I can't take it down and put the 69S up. I'm working on a plan to fix that. I also got my rider back together enough that I can take it down. I wish I had time ot finish i, but I don't so it needs to come down so I can build the other customer's basket case.
February 12, 2022 I got two 4' wide, 6' tall, 18" deep rolling wire shelves. I've put one together and I put a lot of the pile of parts that were on the floor on the shelves. Being able to roll them around is helpful since I don't need an aislyway around them and they take up less space vertically. I'll put the other one together and it should have more than enough room for the rest. I will still have way to much stuff in the space but at least there will be room ot rollw the motircycle tables around where I can swap bikes.
February 16, 2022 It was "The Ten Commandments Time" today - as Ramses II said in the movie: "So let it be written, so let is be done". The bike will be Signal Red, the lettering will be silver, and there will be no stripes.
February 22, 2022 Got a little done today. I started to install the custom battery hold down I make and thought of (I think) a better way. The battery is sitting on foam, is surrounded on three sides by metal backed foam, and is held down and in place by a Velcro strap. This has the advantage over my other way of not needing two 7/16" wrenches to get the battery out.'
Finished statically synchronizing the carbs and in the process remembered that I didn't have a proper twist grip and used a dual-pull. I need to resolved that – one because it's unprofessional, and two because the cable is 3/8" too long for that one.
Went over everything again checking for tightness. The only outstanding thing is the tab washer for the nut on the bottom of the triple-tree but I need to do that with the bike on the ground.
I've just about got enough room now to take this one down and put the 69S on the table.
February 26, 2022 The day is here! Starting on the second bike. First is the "before" picture. This bike had a pretty good puddle of oil under it – hence it's turn on the table. The second shows it on the table with a few things done.
- Inspected for loose or improperly insalled parts. Found a few minor things and one major. Due to the way the exhaust to muffler clamps were installed, could not get the left-side cover off without removing the exhaust and all parts of hte exhaust were hand tight. So, remoed the exhaust for now.
- Thr major oil leak was from the oil tank to engine feed line where a check valve (BAD IDEA) was installed. Removed that mess and drained the oil tank in the process.
- Cleaned the bottom of the engine and gearbox thourghly - now waiting to see if there are more leaks. I'm hoping that there aren't any - I'm prepared to take the engine out to reseal it but I won't if there's no need. If no more leaks show, I will put it back together for a test ride.
- Checked out the electical sysem. The bike has the original bridge rectifier and Zener. It has a Boyer electronic ignition. It has a new harness but it has been modified for the Boyer ignition. Everything except the horn works - haven't determined if it wiring, the horn itself, or the handlebar button.
March 2, 2022 New plan - the engine and gearbox have not leaked any oil. So, I'll figur eout the horn, clean up the wiring, and hen I get a warm day I'll put it back togther and do a shakedown ride. I'm expecting the painter to call any day saying the tank and side panels are ready for the Combat to that should also be done soon after we get some nice riding days.
March 7, 2022 Got a call today. The tank and side covers for thw Combat have been cleared. They need a couple of days and then will cut and buffed. They shoud be here sometime next week.
March 18, 2022 The tank and side covers arrived - beautiful work as usual. The lighting in the garage is not great for pictures, the tank and side covers silver is like the side panels not the tank.
Now I have the hard/scary job of installing the gas cap – yikes! I wish Norton used the caps Triumph/BSA used!
It's supposed to start raining overnight and all day tomorrow. I would love to finish it this weekend but the weather will probably stop that – shame – we're supposed to make it to 80 tomorrow.
The other long pole in the tent is finding a seat – I haven't found new ones for about 6 months for any sort of reasonable price. I have a couple in bad shape – might have to restore and recover one but the only covers I have are gold rear lettering and with silver on the tank and side covers that's not good.
March 20, 2022 Well, the scariest job on a Norton is done wihtout incident! Putting a new gas cap on a new tank with an expensive new paint job - now that's scary. Besides getting it on, you have to get it to close. I love these EMGO tanks, but the hinge hole is slightly low so once you get the roll pin in, the cap won't close. It takes careful prying to get the rear portion raised enough. I leave it just able to close and open as over time, things will loosen. Later installed the petcocks and studes. The tank is ready to go one th bike.
April 12, 2022 Finally, a nice day. Sunday I was planning to ride my Bonneville to the Norton Club meeting, but it was 46 degrees and rainy. Yesterday was not much better. This afternoon it was sunny and hit 80 in some areas.
I would have taken this one out for tuning and testing, but I ran into another problem. The twistgrip I had on it no play and the new one I bought for it had way too much. The new one is pretty junky so I'll fix the cable to work with the old one.
I gave it a good once over and besides one big problem there are a couple of minor things to do. When I was wiring I didn't have sockets for the speedo and tach so I didn't make that little harness – I have them now so I can do that. I'm out of the grommets for the battery cover – it's on for the picture without hem but I can't leave it that way. Neither of those stop me from tuning and testing tomorrow (if the weather people aren't lying).
The big issue is the seat. This bike came with a piece of crap. No one (other than India) has new ones right now – I've had them on back order for about six months. I do have one quality cover, I may have to restore a seat. I hate that because although new ones are expensive, the cover, foam, and time cost more.
April 13, 2002 I should never say when I plan to do anything - it embarrasses when I don't make it! Simple 10 minute job:
- Remove the throttle end ferrule from the throttle end of the cable.
- Shorten the outer 1/2"
- Solder on a new ferrule.
That's something I've been able to do for 50 years! Well, not today! I tried to solder that ferrule on for a LONG time and never got it to flow. Tried on a new piece of cable – no issue. That cable is some different material. Finally broke down and switched it out. I HATE 2-way junctions! Why not the Triumph way – dual pull and do the carb sync with inline adjusters! I hate the junctions because you can't get them apart without removing the slides and you can't do that on Norton without removing the tank. Anyway, that's back together and the carbs are re-synced. Then I realized that I didn't powder coat and install the license plate brackets I make so had to do that – don't dare test ride without plates.
It's hard to believe that I messed with it for five hours and
only effectively put on the license plate!
I did find Roadster seats today at The Bonneville Shop and they say they are UK made. Strange because Wassell, Andover Norton, and RGM can't get them. I suspect that they are made in India and sold by a UK company - found that with side covers a couple of weeks ago. They want $385 delivered which is aboutt $225 more than I paid Wassell for a UK-made seat before.
April 14, 2022 Disappointed! I always brag that my rebuilds start and idle on the first kick and if not, definitely on the second. Maybe it's because I'm 72, have a bad hip, this is a Combat, and it was lightly wet sump'ed. The first kick was not nearly robust enough and no fire. The second kick fired but died. Turned up the throttle stops ½ turn, and one the third kick it was not only running but idling at 1000 rpm. Grabbed the camera and took way to short a video – it's always best to have help for this.
So, I walked to the drive side planning to strobe the timing as soon as I saw oil turning to the tank – what a mess! Oil all over the front and side of the engine. Quickly shut it off and investigated. See the red oval in the picture. Those are polished stainless rocker shaft covers. It turns out that the tabs on the inner cover are too wide and it wasn't sealing. Since Norton supplies full crankshaft oil p0ressure ot the rocker about eight ounces was squirted out in 30 seconds. I
used an OEM inner cover and the stainless outer one to fix it. Then started back up to be sure it was fixed – it was but not the pressure was causing the drive side intake cover to leak. Fixed it the same way. The timing side is not leaking but I will fix them too. I don't want to run the bike any more until I can take it outside and wash all the oil off – don't need burned on oil on a just-finished bike!
April 15, 2022 Adjusted a few minor things that you really have to have the bike out about ready to go and someone sitting on it. For instance, the handle bars, control angles, drive chain tension, etc. then it was time for a very short test ride to get it hot enough to re-tighten the exhaust and do an overall inspection - all good.
Then a little longer, faster test ride and the idle wouldn't come down below 3000rpm! I knew exactly what that was so off with the tank and readjusted the carb to adjusters to take up the slack in the short cables to the 2-way junction – I've probably mentioned before that I hate the Norton way - this is the last bike I'll do with dual carbs and a ingle-pull throttle. The Triumph dual cables and twin pull throttle can't have the problem and syncing the carbs is much easier.
Now it was time for a movie. That's my stepson riding. The bike pulls strong! He didn't go far because I was waiting to make the movie. The plan was to send him to fill it with gas and then go for longer shake-down ride. Notice the puff of blue smoke from the left exhaust as he let off in the court. That ended the riding. I'm sure the left intake valve oil seal has come loose. Assuming I can find the tool I need, I'll fix that without removing the head. Norton is goofy in that full crankshaft oil pressure is sent to the rockers and the intake side drains into the timing chest through a small channel through the barrels whichis to the right of the timing side intake valve. So, the intake valves need seals and the left side especially needs one since the drain is on the right. The trouble is that if the seal comes loose from the guide and rides up and down with the valve it actually pumps oil into the valve guide!
BTW, the seat we stuck on it is UGLY but they are too hard to ride without one.
May 2, 2022 So, the valve seal was fine. Therefore I had to remove the head - something I hate in the frame and something I find very hard to do by myself at my age and with arthritis. It quickly became clear that the copper head gasket was defective – I should have checked but it's the first one in 55 years. I didn't have another copper one so I used a fire-ring composite. Once all back together it started right up but had a noise that sounded like it was coming from the head. This time my stepson was here so getting the head off was much easier. As he walked away with the head he thought he heard something fall out of it – he was sure so new gasket and back on it went. Now the noise was louder! I thought I must have the valve timing wrong or maybe it was in the primary or who knows. So, timing cover off – no problem found. Primary apart – no problem found. Today, I took the head off again. I can see where the drive-side exhaust valve has been just touching the piston! So, I compared
the head with another Combat head I have and it is clear that this one has been decked .020"-.030"! Such a shame – the head has new guides, valves and springs and is very clean. I'm hoping the other one I have has good guides and seats – it has no valves or rockers so I have to move them over. I may have to change the guides if they are worn. Of course, I have to get it clean and looking good first.
May 10, 2022 So, the Combat head I compared against not only wasn't Combat but wasn't even Commando! It has a cast-in "C" on top, not a stamped "C" – fooled me!
No harm, no foul; I have a partly build Combat with a bad title so I took the head from that. Beautiful with new guides, valves, exhaust thread inserts all done by Jim Comstock. While installing it, the left front stud pulled! I started comparing those heads and found that they were decked about the same. I had measured there to be 0.005" difference in the two sides of the first head, but I did that with a caliper as I didn't have a proper depth micrometer. I got a depth micrometer and realized that there was only 0.0025" difference so I lapped it in. Then I started wondering about the pistons. For a moment I thought I had them in backwards. They are not marked left and right and the exhaust side it not marked. I looked at the bike I took the head from and it appeared the opposite of what I had, but those pistons are marked left and right but no exhaust marking. I wrote Jim Comstock some emails mostly as a sanity check and I finally confirmed that I had them right and the other bike
is backwards!
A couple of weeks ago I bought a much better endoscope than the one I had. It can look down and to the side at the same time (two cameras and lights). I put the original head on with just the four easy bolts and the exhaust pushrod. I could clearly see that the valve was not hitting. The donor bike had the high-dollar steel pushrods so I used them to make it easier to install the head and put it on.
I finished putting it back together today and it started and settled in idling at about 800 rpm on the first kick, but somewhat missing on the right cylinder. A quick adjustment on the right side air screw and both cylinders were running smoothly. Once it got warm, the idle was about 1000 rpm. NO NOISE! YAY! Tomorrow I'll check strobe time it, check everything over, and go for a test ride.
May 11, 2022 Low energy day. I've checked the bike over pretty well but didn;t have the energy to get it out for a ride. Tomorrow morning I'll get a steriod shot in my foot and I'll have help in the afternoon so I should ride then. Spent a lot of time putting things away and moving bikes around. I can get to the 69S again so once I'm sure I'm done with this one I can check that one out. The 69S has a new cloth covered wiring hardness but also has electronic ignition and a solidstate regulator so the wires area bit mangled. I may remove the harnessses and sell them and hand wire it.
May 12, 2022 Gas fill-up and shakedown ride. Clutch and gearshift not properly smooth at first but that all cleaned up on it's own. Have a minor leak at the oil pressure switch (Don Pender) - easily fixed - I reused the washers when I re-installed after checking the valve timing without annealing. Another interesting thing is that he bike came with a new set of Hagon rear shocks that are a little long. The ride is nice but the rear wheel just touches the ground on the center stand (brand new). Need to think that one over.
Forgot to put the left-side panel on I'm and going to strobe the timing when I have a helper so the "points" cover is off. Yes, I'll install a mirror and the seat really lets the bike down but new ones are really hard to find now, especially with silver lettering.
The movie proves that a newly built Combat with premier carbs and Tri-Spark ignition can idle nicely!
July 6, 2022 Found a seat - it's on its
way.
July 9,2022 Finally fixed the oil pressure switch leak. The new seat arrived today. It was a little bit fiddly to install but looks good. Planned to do final timing and testing today but lots of rain go in the way of the. The say tomorrow will be nice - hope so!
July 10, 2022 This bike is done except mirror and the second tank/side covers set the new owner wants. So, time to finish his 69S - unless stated otherwise everything below is for the 69S.
July 14, 2022 I mentioned before that the 69S had a check valve in the oil feed line and it was leaking. Back then I removed it and plugged the line. That has been replaced by a proper oil line now. Checked each of the fluids - the primary and gearbox were both over-filled and the engine was wet-sump'ed. Those are all good now. Looked in the cylinders with an endoscope.
- The engine has been run a little
- The cylinder walls look good
- Found a surprise! We have a stowaway! I suppose he will be cremated on the first power stroke!
July 16, 2022 This bike is now the primary focus. The basket case I was working on at the same time is now finished and delivered. Have some decisions to make on this one. The bike was complete and "ready to ride". Im getting closer to believing that and will soon start and ride it to see how well it really is assembled. Looks-wise, it is a show piece.
It has a new wiring harness, a Pazon ignition and standard charging equipment. I usually install a Tri-Spark ignition and regulator and I usually rewire the bike. That makes since sense I'm usually doing a build from raw frame/cases. In this case, that seems like a waste of money. I'll talk it over with the new owner to see what he thinks, but at this point, I'm thinking I'll keep the wiring as it is.
It has polished standard carbs. I'll inspect them, but unless they seem new, will replace them with Premier carbs.
July 17, 2022 Best laid plans…. Planned to test the 69S today, weather permitting, VA humidity, but otherwise the weather wasn't a factor. Tried to put the new exhaust the bike came with on – could not get it to all line up so I tried the used exhaust. That was better but still not good and there was a crack near the head. After two hours of trying things, I decided it was gorilla time. The drive side pipe was fine but the timing side did not align – a couple of manly pulls and it was gorilla-corrected. So then, I started checking things. Horn dead. Could see that one wire was not connected but on A Norton that means taking the rear wheel and rear fender off. Since this is a 69S, it should have a bolt-up rear hub. Removed the access plugs and no nuts! This bike had been converted to cush-hub but with a bolt-up hub covers so it looks correct. That was a pleasant surprise. Connected the horn and pushed the button. It made a racket and wouldn't stop so it was time to repair the handlebar
switch. That fixed and the horn worked but sounded like a fog horn so adjusted that. In the process of working on the horn I found that:
- The harness is new, but some ground wires are burned
- A separate ground and power were supplied to the headlight but they didn't go through the ammeter or fuse so that was dangerous and silly.
- The wiring in the headlight is a mess.
- It has a Pazon ignition but the wiring was again a mess.
So, I will re-wire
July 21, 2022 Took the harness off the bike – PITA since it was installed before the bike was finished and wires were run in places that trapped them. Anyway as I unwrapped the damage became clear. Where the ground wires from the battery entered the hardness, they melted and melted just about all the wires in that area. So, I have to run mostly new wires throughout the bike. Not hard, just time consuming and somewhat expensive. Since I re-wring I will install Tri-Spark products.
I was wondering why the fuse didn't stop the damage: There was an AGC 35 amp fuse installed. When British bikes say to use 30 amps, they mean British Standard 30 amp which is equivelent to AGC 17. I use SFE 20 amp which is about the same as AGC 15 when considering time to blow. The 14-strand (18 AWG) wire that is standard on British bikes is good for 8 amps sustained and probalby 20 amps for a milliseconds or two. A partial short curcuit and easily reach 20 amps and a AGC 35 fuse woudn'e even notice! When I'm wiring and testing, I use AGC 5 amp fuses since I test as I go and the battery is generally installed - any mistake and I want the fuse to blow, not the wires to melt!
July 31, 2022 Things keep getting in the way of this bike and updating this page. I had some more minor medical issues to take care of. Finished the wiring today and inspected the carbs. They have been sleeved - not a fan. The rear shocks are definitely wrong and the chain guard was installed wrong. The chain guard is sorted out and I have the correct shocks to install. I really hope to start this bike soon and make sure that the engine and gearbox work properly.
August 1, 2022 New issue. The wiring in completely done and while doing the static timing I came across a new problem. The bike doesn't change gears easily and won't go into 4th at all. So, I have that to fix before starting it.
August 2, 2022 While trying to get the bike to change gears, I noticed that the speedo drive was almost rubbing on hb cover and the rear wheel wasn't even tight. The rear axle had been way over tightened and the speedo housing is bowed. I did a bunch of measuring as that's a current subject on Access Norton and then installed a new speedo drive. Now there's a proper gap.
August 3, 2022 Buy a "perfectly restored" bike. Check it over - no 4th gear. Drain the gearbox - combination: ATF/Water/Grease and stinks. OK, outer cover a bear to get off - glued on with some sort of black substance. Easy enough to see that the shift quadrant is off one tooth. Try everything you can think of to get the inner cover off - no way. On the bench you could use a rubber hammer on the back, but not in the frame. Finally made the contraption in the picture. The wrench already had a hole at one end. Drilled and tapped for 3/8" UNF and used and old wrench to old the other end down. Used grease to hold a washer in place to protect the end of the main shaft while tightening. Had to tighten the bolt a LOT to get the cover to break free. The inner cover was glued on with some sort of grey crap. All told, 3.5 hours to get it apart and get the gasket surfaces cleaned! Then a half hour to get all the ATF/Water/Grease cleaned up. Still have to put it back together. The timing
side mainshaft bearing is bad but the other two are good and the rest of the components are good.
August 4, 2022 The gearbox is complete cleaned inspected and back together. Besides the bad timing side mainshaft bearing, the ratch spring was properly bent but installed upside down. Also, the kickstart pawl retractor had a burr that causes the kickstart to catch - they was easily smoothed. A big problem was that the gearbox adjuster crosshead was loose in the cradle/ It took two of us and every 9/16" wrench/socket/universal to get it tight and aligned. For a ready-to-ride bike, I certainly didn't expect to spend eight hours with a helper on a gearbox! Getting the quadrant timing right is one of the few things easy on a Norton and It should have taken less than an our to fix that silly mistake. Anyway, the gearbox is properly filled wiht 75W80 gear oil and shifts nicely on the bench so I expect perfect on the road.
The clutch may need service. It has a medium pull but feels rough. That probably just a cable issue but the cable is routed very smoothly. If it doesn't feel right with a new cable, I'll look into the clutch itself after it have been run a little.
August 5, 2022 More rear wheel :=(. The shocks that were installed were 13" eye to eye and the tire was on the ground with a 1/2" piece of plywood under the center stand. I ordered a set of shocks I've used before that look identical to originals, are the right length (12.9") and do not interfere wiht the chain guard. The ones that arrived had the same Wassell part number but were EMGO marked for Norton. They look right and are the right length but interfer with the chain guard - a lot. So, I tried a new set of Hagons that are the right length and don't interfere with the chain guard. I thought good enough, but the rear wheel would still lightly touch the ground on the center stand. So, then I looked at the front end - oops, the forks are stuck in full extension - won't move. So, I decided to finalize the rear wheel install and work on the forks. Well, that's when it really when to hell.
If both sides are tightened, the wheel won't
turn! OK, all apart to see why. The primary reason is that some idiot ground down the bearing spacer and did a poor job of it - it's lopsided and definetly should not have been ground down. On top of that. the bearing is wrong - it's unsealed, not greased and the grease shield is missing which is probalby why the bearing is bad. Also the brake backing plate spacer is missing.On top of that, the bearing retainer/speedo drive was never tightened. Now I don't rust the hub either so I'll take that apart.
Since this bike has so much stainless and the bearing and bearing spacer are junk and the threads on the axle have seem better days, I'll install a Don Pender single axle with sealed bearing and if the hub doesn't have sealed bearings I'll probably do them too depending on condition and if all the correct parts are there or not. I guess I'll have to check the front wheel as well. At least the rear hub is nearly new as are the brake shoes and springs.
This is getting really embarrassing. I was supposed to try to have these two bikes ready by summer. Came close on the red one even with my medical issued late last year and this one was only supposed to need servicing - so much for that! Unfortunately for him and good for me, the new owner got hurt and can't ride right now. I hope he's better soon and that I'm done by then!
August 6, 2022 Cleaned up the brake hub, installed the single-axle adapter and the new sealed double-row bearing. That when fine. When I checked the hub for sealed bearing I realized that one bearing was missing and the other was damaged. OK, clea that all up, put the new timing side sealed bearing in, the retainer/speedo drive, the bearing spacer and then the drive side sealed bearing – it slipped in WAY to easily! On investigation the hole in the hub is 0.002-0.003” too big and the bearing can move side-to-side, no good! After pondering for quite a while about what to do I realized that I had another bike with the same wheel that looked just as good. So after moving bikes around for quite a while I took the wheel from that bike, removed the bearings, cleaned the hub and spacer and put it back together with new sealed bearings. The rest of finalizing the rear wheel went smoothly and I have peace of mind that it is all correct.
Then it was time for the front end. To make a long story short, every component is new and nothing was put together right! It even had two different short gaiters, both split. I haven't put the front end back together yet – tired – but don't expect any further problems.
August 7, 2022 More fun due to dummies! Put the front end together correctly up to a point. I build the forks on the bike without the springs and just letting the damper rods fall. That makes it easy to add the oil. Then I put in the springs and use a simple homemade tool to retrieve the damper rod. It is an old damper rod with a 5/16" UNF coupler. If fits down the spring and you twist to thread it on the damper rod. Once caught, it's easy to pull the damper rod up, put the thick washer and nut on, and then attached to the top bolt. I put the oil in, and picked up the springs (clearly brand new) and let one end sit on the table so I could wipe them - that's when I saw that one is 3/4" shorter than the other! Crap!
OK, let's get finished with the wheel. Since the bike I took the rear wheel from had matching tires and the same front drum brake, I took the front wheel from it. PITA without a helper so I setup my engine hoist to hold up the front of the donor machine. Something is wrong
with the brakes on that wheel as it took forever to get then brake plate out. The bearings are good and the brake plate on the original is good and all the components are new so I used that one. Next issue, a burr in the drive-side fork slider causing the front axle to not go in. Of course I could have been a gorilla and hammered it in, but I don't do that. Took forever but the axle slides in properly now.
So, the front end is mostly installed and is cleaned and polished. I'll determine what to do about the springs tomorrow when I'm not tired. I have plenty of options - all good.
The carb set that is actually meant for 1969 has not been available from Amal but the individual carbs were. I complained and they now have them listed but they are back ordered. The carbs for 1968 are identical except for the sub-number. The bike came with generic 930 carbs (300/301) that have been sleeved. if it had the correct carbs and they were sleeved I would consider using them.
August 9, 2022 Finished up the front end.
August 10, 2022 Worked on finalizing things - speedo and tach cable routing. Studied on the center stand a long time - have a plan ot fix it but need a little welding. While installing matching handlebar controls (the one on the bike were junk), I realized that there was something wrong with the clutch - that's when today went downhill. After rechecking everything involved with the primary cover still on, and finding nothing, it was time to get into the primary. The clutch stack height was terrible - 750 plates, 850 pressure plate - at least all was new. Put in a 750 pressure plate and then had the opposite problem - stack to high. I had a known good set of plates so put them in and the clutch was fine. I noticed that the rotor was flush with the stator - wrong on a Norton! On investigating I found oversize nuts rather than spacers on the studs and one stud was home made. On further investigation I found that the mounting boss for one stator stud was broken off. So, the bike needs a
new inner primary. I have some from installing cNw e-start kits so I found the best one and will polish tomorrow. I normally don't polish the inner primary cover much but this bike is so polished that I have to. The clutch center nut has the tab washer but not the other thin washer and it was soaked in locktite. The rotor nut came off too easily – and the engine sprocket pulled off very easily – no doubt that this would have failed on startup! I'm really hoping that there are no engine problems – the engine was sent out so hopefully it's OK.
August 12, 2022 The new carbs are inspected - as usual, they are perfect. The twistgrip on the other hand is junk. Replacing it meant that the junction to twistgrip cable was the wrong length so that has been resolved. The carbs are bench sync'ed and are ready to install.
August 13, 2022 The carbs are on - I wish I could say that went smoothly- it didn't. First the studs in the manifolds were installed backwards and loctited. They have a short threaded end that goes to the manifold and a long threaded end that goes towards the carb. when installed backwards, there are only a couple of threads holding the carbs on the manifolds. Once that was corrected I tested the allens into the head. The middle ones must go in by fingers except for final tightening. These did OK, but it was quickly obvious that they we way too short. They are supposed tt be 7/8" and were 1/2"! So, I got correct screws and washers from stock and they would not screw in as far as needed. I ended up having to chase all four with a tap - not easy in the limited space. Anyway, once chased they were fine and the rest of the installation went fine.
Then I started on the replacement inner primary. It had the standard scratches from people trying to install the air cleaner after the carbs. Spent a long time sanding and polishing. Also spend a LONG time getting the gasket off - glued on again!
August 14, 2022 The inner primary is polished and on but it was certainly not easy! The stainless steel loving gorilla before me use stainless 1/4x20 bolts to attach the inner primary to the engine. Thankfully, they were too short! Why? Those holes are factory Helicoiled for Whitworth 1/4" screws. The UNC screws pulled out about half of the first thread. The only way to actually replace those helicoils is to strip the engine down. After stuffing the holes, I carefully used a Dremel to get the surface flat again. Then ran a 1/4" Whitwork tap in the hole part way. After that, the correct screws went in without problem.
The rest of the primary went together find but since I had the cover off I wanted to check the timing marks. They are often off 1-2 degrees, these are about 40 degrees off! Since that's not possible I'm a little confused and must investigate more. I know that the rotor is from a Triumph Trident (have no idea why). When I'm not tired I'll take a proper one from another bike and see if the rotor is the problem.
August 16, 2022 I've probably used "Bad day at Blackrock" before – this is the Worst Day at Blackrock!
Put the primary all back together yesterday and tried to check that the outer primary timing marks were right. They were way off. Even though I've don't it many time, I thought I must just be tired and doing something wrong so I quit for the day.
Today I tried again and they were consistently 22 degrees off. So, I asked on Access Norton if anyone had seen this. One guy said it might be an Atlas crank. More checking showed that the Atlas crank is 90 degree off from a Commando – but I wasn't 90 degrees off.
Figured it out! Took a known correct crank half and used a degree wheel to determine where the rotor keyway is. It's at 200 degrees from TDC best I can measure. The keyway in the problem crank is at 340 degrees from TDC best I can measure. I put the rotor on with no key but turned to where the keyway should be and the 30-degree mark lines up but with the other rotor mark. So, this
crank, whatever it is, has the rotor keyway about 140 degrees from where it should be on a Commando.
This is a beautiful bike that I was supposed to only need to service - so far, EVERY component has had a problem!This bike only needed static timed and a tank to start. Now I have to take the engine out and my helper left for college - o'well, I can do it.
August 18, 2022 I got as far as getting the head off today. Got a steroid shot in my foot this morning and it started to kick in. I was planning to get to the point where able to unbolt the head but steroids take away pain, give you strength, give you energy and mess with your, focus, inhibitions, and emotions. They gave me the pain free hands to get the head off. Tomorrow with them fully in force I should be able to take the engine out and put it on the bench - have to be careful though, I'v torn muscles and tendons when steroids turned me into Superman.
August 19, 2022 There are two pictures below. In the first, the engine is rigged to be lifted out by my engine hoist. Next step - remove four bolts and lift it out. Three minute job - except! The bolts and nuts are all highly poslished stainless steel and the gorilla before me appearently didn't know that anti-seize must be used with stainless. The big front bolt unscrewed about two turnes before the galling stopped it. Hurt myself trying to power it out. Then tried my impact - just rounded off the head. So, I don't know if it's clear how tight a spot that is to cut off a nut. I clearly got it done and I didn't damage anything but it took 3 hours of very carful work with an angle grinder. Next problem - the bottom stud was a bolt that interferred with the frame. Fortunatley with the other studs out I could jack the cradle high enough to get it out. Then it was a simple job to get the engine out. mount on a engine stand
one a Workmate.
Since it was now in my hand, I inspected the isolastic. The fixed side was finger tight and the set screw was not locked down. The insides were not pushed all the way in, and more importantly, the wrong lube was used and the rubber has been attacked so there goes another $110.
August 20, 2022 Finally got the timing cover off - had to split the gasket with razor blades. Then more nonsense. An automatic timing chain tensioner was installed and was jammed holding chain super tight. Some sort of anti-sump valve was installed - maybe AMR, but the parts all fell out so I don't even know if I found them all. Had to use the nuts with thin metal protectors to jack the barrels off - same sealer. Then noticed that the pistons were on the wrong sides and the valves have been lightly touching them - will have to inspect the head and valves carefully - probably would have been worse but the cylinder base nuts were only slightly more than finger tight, and the head was not fully torqued down. Also have to check the piston clearances - it's a fresh bore and if the bores were matched to the wrong pistons no telling what I've got. And, just for fun, one circlip on the right cylinder was in past the slot and the other not to the slot - any chance they would have migrated into
place? No, more likely a seized engine! This is the 2nd bike in the group of three that I bought that the pistons were in the wrong sides - best check the 3rd one I guess!
Camshaft nut - no effort to get off. Crank worm gear/nut, no effort to get off. Took over an hour to get the cases apart. Crank has been split - tabs not bent. Conrod nuts - blue locktite and maybe 10 ft. lb.
Care to guess which thing would have blown this engine first?
I've finished cleaning one case half, the other half is in my kitchen sink. Still have a lot of gasket scraping but got tired of everything being oily.
August 22, 2022 Recovered a crank from another engine. It's in nice shape. Took it apart and throughly cleaned it. The journals are standard size in good shape but did polish with 1000 grit paper and WD40. Will have to use new shells -the crank I took out was ground 0.010" under. I sent the cases ot cNw to get the breather mod. No point in going this far and not doing that. So, there will be a delay in continuing.
August 23, 2022 The crank is back together and the conrods are on so it'[s ready to go in the cases when they get back.
August 25, 2022 Cleaned up the pistons and checked the ring gaps. The right cylinder gaps were a snug 0.015" and were perfectly parallel. The lefts we a snug 0.014" and not files parallel. When I filed them parallel, they were also a snug 0.015".
August 26, 2022 I mentioned earlier that the pistons were in the wrong sides. In the picture you can clearly see that the piston marked R is in the left cylinder and the L is in the right. Those are the sides and orientation they came out of. When you switch them to the correct sides based on the marking, they are clearly wrong as the intakes are far apart and the exhaust are close together. It was confusing me, and I was second guessing myself, so I got out an old OEM piston to double check. A little hard to see in the picture but in the red oval is says EX LF so that is clearly the correct side and orientation, and it clearly matches the piston marked R! The pistons are marked wrong! They are JCC. The current Hepolite pistons are also JCC, but they have no side or front/back marking - good thing, I guess!
The two barely visible valve marks could not be made in this orientation so my guess is that the engine wouldn't turn over, so the last builder took the head off, saw the problem
and redid the pistons.
September 6, 2022 I don't remember if I mentioned it but since the cases had to come apart I sent them cNw to be machined for their breather. They came back today. I also don't remember if I talked about the three screws that hold the inner chaincase ot the engine. The wrong screws were used and the helicoils were damage. I had fixed them as best I could with the engine together, but since the engine is apart, I replaced them with new today. I used 1/4" x 20 UNC as the 1/4" Whitworth coils were a little loose. I installed them with gap filling Locktite and once in, ran clean screws in and out of them a few times to make sure the threads are clear. This ensures that they will stay in place. I also touched up the cases (they are painted) and installed the main bearings.
Also don't remember if I talked about the center stand and frame. When on the center stand, the rear wheel touches the ground. A spot of weld on both sides of center stand, new pivots, and installing the stand correct will help. The big fix is straightening the bottom tubes of the frame. I did the timing side today, it was easy and didn’t mess up the finish. I’ll have to make a jigfor the drive size as it needs a little more than the timing side. Still no big deal.
September 7, 2022 Planned on putting the bottom end together today. When I took it apart I was so annoyed that I didn't study each fastener and several were seized. So, today I tried a dry fit of them and checked all threads. The two 3/8" front iso bolts and nuts are usable. None of the rear engine mount bolts are usable - all too short and most are seized. The crankcase top front stud is usable but I have to find a top rear-forgot to order one and it's Whitworth. The bottom two 1/4" screws were not in all the way (good thing) and the wrong threads. I have repaired that. to make a long story short it's ready to go together but I'm still sorting out fasteners.
September 11, 2022 I was too tired to write it up when I finished yesterday. Put the bottom end together and started on the timing chest. Didn't get far because the idler shaft was loose and someone tried ot fix it by dimpling –didn't work. After a careful cleaning I installed it with Locktite bearing set (gap filling, high temp, green) and immediately put the cover on to hold it in alignment. Checked it today and that's now fine.
Tried to put the oil pump worm on the crankshaft and the threads are screwed up – I had trouble getting it off the crank that was installed. Rather than mess up the thread on the crank, I found and installed one from another engine. Then I tried to put the oil pump gasket on that there's no way it would go. Started taking the bottom stud out to compare the gasket to the holes in the crankcase and realized that the stud is very bent.
Frustrated I left the engine alone and made the jig to straighten the bottom frame rail on the drive side. That took a long time but worked well. Tomorrow I'll look for a oil pump stud and the two chain adjuster studs – they are missing because it had the non-working auto chain adjuster.
September 14, 2022 The parts order is due here Friday if DHL doesn't screw-up. I've put as much of the timing chest together as I can and I've got the engine rigged to go back in the frame. Luckily I had a set of front isolastic gaiters in stock. I took the internals out cleaned everything and put it back together with the proper grease. The internals were OK; just the gaiters were damaged by the wrong grease.
September 16, 2022 The parts order arrived today! The engine is back in the frame. Now I'll partly build the primary so I can lock the engine and finish the timing side. Then its (the horror) head install time.
September 18, 2022 Not feeling great and have had a lot going on. Still, I made some progress. The engine is in the frame, isolastics adjusted,the primary is together, the timing chest is closed, and the plumbing is done. It took FOREVER to get the timing cover ready to go on! Whatever gasket glue was used it some powerful stuff. I finally got it all off – razor blade (Longgggggg time), acetone, alcohol, lacquer thinner, and finally a steel wool soap pad. It would have made financial sense to throw it away and buy new! Since the head is off, I took the opportunity to accurately find and mark top dead center and 30 degrees before. No excuses now, have to put the head on.
September 19, 2022 The head is on, torqued, and the valves are adjusted. Started putting the rest of the bike back together.
September 20, 2022 I was doing well today, until I wasn't. Look here to see what slowed me down.
September 21, 2022 So much for havingthese bikes ready for summer - it's Fall now!
September 22, 2022 What a day! Yard guard (mosquito and tick control) came yesterday, today was breezy, and cool. It has been a longtime since I could stand to work in the shop with the big door open! To top that off, didn't hurt myself even a little today – nice change.
I was hurting pretty bad this morning from my fall but got a steroid shot in my foot this morning and toped it off with a 5mg pill – that takes away almost all pain (of course, often causes me to hurt myself).
Got quite a bit done on the bike. I'm back to hoping to start and ride it this weekend – hopefully nothing else get in the way of that!
September 24. 2022 Almost there. Only the exhaust. fuel lines and tank to go. My leg is slowing me down pretty bad though. There's now about twice as much skin missing. Just took a shower and then used every non-stick bandage pad I had. They will be soaked through within the hour. I have a wound care appointment Monday (earliest I could get) so tomorrow I'll have to go get more bandages. Fortunately it's not blood, just water like from a blister - just LOTs of it.
September 26, 2022 Spent a LONG time today pondering the exhaust.
- The bike came with the original pipes and a new set.
- The original pipes fit better but they burned a spot in the paint of the left side cover – the top pipe is about ¼” from the cover.
- The bike came with two left side covers, the burned one and a good one. I certainly don’t want to damage the good one.
- The new pipes fit OK, but the top on actually touches the side cover.
- The original left-side pipe is cracked - i was pondering getting it welded and re-chromed.
Then the light went on - what if the problem is the left side cover?
The side covers are new and I'm sure aftermarket. The front edge near the bottom is relieved but not high enough so the bottom was being held out. The top rear bracket is somewhat adjustable and needed to move outward to move the bottom inward. The bottom rear braket is not adjustable but was clearly bent outward a littlle. Still not sure it's enough but I have at least 3/8" of clearance now which is a massive improvement.
My leg is all wrapped. When I wrapped it myself it hurt for a little while, then quit. This is hurting a lot and not letting up - supposed to stay this way until next Monday.
September 29, 2022 Went back to the doctor and got my leg re-wrapped by a different doctor - it doesn't hurt much now. But, I spent most of the day on my portable O2 machine.
September 30, 2022 I took a lot of pictures for this discussion but most of them don't really show what I was trying to show so I'll talk you through that a little bit and then show the ones that do show something.
I mentioned before that the exhaust was touching the side panel. This bike came with two left side panels one of which had the paint melted from the heat of the exhaust and the other which is fine. I wanted to accomplish a few things with the damage panel. First, I wanted to put on a heat shield to cover the damaged paint and so that it actually could be used. I've done that so that it doesn't really show and it looks decent. Second, I wanted to use it to test relieving the fiberglass so that the panel wasn't sticking out so far and third I wanted to use it to make sure that everything was OK when I was all finished.
When I started the outside edge of the panel was even with the outside edge of the Z plate and the exhaust would press on the side panel. The third picture shows the areas where I relieved material from the back of the side panel - wherever you see blue I took away material sometimes quite a bit. The first picture shows what the side panel looks like installed with the heat insulator on it in the second picture shows how far back from the outer edge of the Z-plate it is now - quite significant! Also, in the first picture there's a Red Circle showing the breather hose and the leads from the regulator that were holding the panel out one the front side before I relieved it.
These panels are clearly standard, but standard is not good for an S model - it would be fine on a standard like a Roadster for the panel to be sticking out parallel to the Z plate. So now I can use the bad panel as a template to relieve the good panel, but I think I will still put the panel with the heat shield on and just provide the other panel to the owner.
With a side panel resolved it was time to work on the exhaust. The drive side pipe was fine, and I used it as a template to align the timing side. The timing side pipe was simply misshapen. When properly installed with mufflers it went uphill and it went inward compared to the drive side pipe. And, it was still way too close to the panel. I considered trying to go to Muffler shops and see if I can get them to re bend the pipe like it need to be but that's such a difficult thing to do in this area I gave up in the idea and decided to do something that you hear me complain about all the time - I went gorilla. OK let's say civilized gorilla.
I tighten the pipe very thoroughly into the head I bucked it against the frame in two places I held the pipe where it needed to be bent downward and outward, put a big pipe on it, and pulled. The first pull didn't work very well because in my fall the other day I retore my bicep tendon to my right arm and that's the only one I could pull with given what needed to be done. So, re-aligned my body alignment and pulled again much harder. Worked out perfectly! If would be nice if I could bend the last four inches in a little but I don't want to press my luck and the mufflers go one fine.
So, this struggle is about over!
October 6, 2022 For a change, good news and better news! Using the first side panel as a template I relieved the second on to also clear everything. I did install the side cover I modified with a heat shield. Then I had a good look at the tank including inside with my borescope. It's Fiberglas, which was worrying me, but it has been sealed. I'm reasonably sure the tank is new (never used). I have a lot of receipts from the previous owner – I'll go through them and see if I can tell more, but at this point, I think it is good to go.
October 17, 2022 Finished up liitle things like fuel lines, spark plugs, sppedo and tach cables, etc. Studied long and hard on the center stand and made a plan.
Octover 19, 2020 I'm good at brazing, not great at welding. In the picture you can see (red circles) where the stops were built up. They will be ground flat and will be individualy filed to make them hit the frame brackets at the same time. They need to be between 1/8" and 3/16" taller than before.
The green circles are where the "feet" were built up. The drive side will be mostly ground away and only the filled worn spot will remain. The timing side will be left as thick as and welding voids allow.
October 21/22, 2022 This is war! I welded the correct si, ground the bottom and laid down more weld. No joy. discovered that I could make an additional stop long the pivot. That was fiddly to get right but I did. Look like it might work so I got the bike off the 1/2" plywood it has been sitting on - damn near lost it and the Combat in the process.
I had propped the rear wheel up on a 4x4 so I could get the plywood from under it when it rolled forward off the 4x4 - barely stopped it from rolling off the table and then it tried to roll back off the table where the Combat was sitting. Stopped that and it tried to fall over away from me - caught it and was stuck there for at least 20 minutes holding it and trying to figure out how to get control. My phone was not nearby. So, I held it with one hand, tightened the timing side ratch strap enough to keep it from falling away, then moved around and got to the drive side ratchet strap. Once somewhat stable I was able to get the jack back under it.
Anyway, several more rounds of welding, grinding, testing, and the stand was how I was trying to make it; but, then damned rear wheel was still touching!!!
So, back to square one. I've probalby spent 24 hours straigntening the frame, thinking on and working on the shocks and stand - what now? Not sure!
October 31, 2022 With great effort, I dug out another 69S I have and took its center stand off. It looks brand new with no wear. It is worse!
November 1, 2022 The center stand battle turned to all-out war! But then, today, I was reminded of a 1969 Norton Brochure in response to a question I posted about tire sizes. This bike came to me with 100/90x19 tires front and rear. It left the factory with 3.00x19 front and 3.50x19 rear! That means that the rear radius was almost 1/2" smaller and the front radius was almost 1" smaller. So, now I'm on the hunt for tires!
November 3, 2022 It turns out that I had a bitsa bike with the correct tires and the same pretty hubs and rims as this one so they will be swapped.
November 4, 2022 The correct tires are now installed. With the new, unworn stand installed the rear tire is still lightly on the ground - won't turn easily. With the one I've been working on it clears by 1/8" but the stand is slightly elevated by sittin on a thin metal drip tray which is on a thin carpet anti-slip pad. If they weren't there it would probably have 1/32" of clearance. So, I'll do a little more buildup. It does not need to be much higher, but it must be so that on slightly uneven ground that the stand will stably hold the bike.
November 10, 2022 After several more attempts, I finally an OK with the center stand. Nov 8/9 were spent getting the powder coat off. Today I refit it to make sure it's OK to finish. I was planning to power coat it as that is way easier than painting but over time the stops will wear and someone will want to weld more so I'll paint it. The rear wheel now has about 7/16" of clearance. I can't make the stand more vertical as that would make it unstable.
I finished the long battle with the exhaust a little over a month ago. The center stand has taken almost a month. How rediculous! The other 69S is for sale - I won't do another. I'll stick with 72-74 Nortons and 67 and later Triumphs!
Here's how I feel right now!
November 12, 2022 Big day! Shakedown - runs great. Brakes work fine. Adjusted timing and carbs. Triple tree miss-adjusted - fixed. Had a oil banjo leaking - should be OK now. Neutral a little hard to find but hoping as the clutch and gearbox loosenup that iwll resolve itself - should. The damned centerstand is still not done. Needs to be painted but more importanly I has it standing too upright and it will roll off the stand while kicking.
November 18, 2022 As you can see by the last entry, only a little more needed to be done. Think again! the center stand is corrected and again ready for paint, went to do that and I'mm out of the paint I use and haven't found any. I used to get it from Amazon, but they have doubled the price ot over $20 a can (was under $10).
More importanly, soon after the riding was done a puddle of oil formed on the floor. found one oil tank banjo leaking. Corrected that, cleaned everything and warmed it back up. A puddle again formed, but smaller. Cleaned everything very well and warmed it again. A small puddle formed. Weird! Noticed oil back on the gearbox and finally saw the leak - coming from the air cleaner.
Since I installed a sump reed valve, if wet sumped, the reed value will clear the oil from the sump very quickly. It turns out that the STUPID oil tank engineering points the engine breather line directly at the open end of the oil tank breather which vents inside the air cleaner. So on the first start (wet sumped from sitting) a flood of oil crossed the gap and filled the oil tank breather. It took a while for that to all drain and drip through the filter. There is no straighforward fix. So, now I have to either find a fitting that I can put in the filler neck like the later oil tanks, or remove the oil tank and braze in a tube for the engine breater. A royal PITA. To get the oil tank out a lot of bike including the exhaust, rear fender, and more must come off and there's a lot of wiring in that area.
November 20, 2022 The center stand is finally installed for keeps. I won an oil tank today on eBay. The central tank has two versions, one with the problem I discussed and one with an engine breather pipe not in the froth tower. So, assuming that the one I bought is good, problem soved. It is a bit ugly so I'll have to deal with that but should not be too hard (famous last words). Of course, the back end of the bike and the exhaust are off right now.
November 22, 2022 The oil tank arrived. It has been sand blasted and cleaned out.
November 23, 2022 The oil tank is painted.
November 25, 2022 Gave the tank a carefull cleaing inside and test fitted. The top bracket required reforming to fit correctly but that went fine. It is not mounted. The three pictures below:
- The culprit! Than pipe is where the engine breather connects.
Directly accross fomr in inside the froth tower (top hat) is the open end of the oil tank breather. When the sump reed valve returns oil it shoots into the oil tank breather and out into the air cleaner.
- What a PITA!
- Fixed. The engine breather now goes into the otp of the tank, not into the foth tower.
Now I just have to put it all back together.
November 27, 2022 It's a rainy cold day here today. The bike is back together but I need a better day to test.
November 28, 2022 It's basically done. Went for a short ride today, retightened exhaust nuts, checked for leaks - all good. It was only 51 degrees so a warmer day is needed for a longer run to get it fully up to tempature and inspect everything.
Put the Combat back on the stand. It is a slight leak at the timing cover that I need to fix.
December 4, 2022 Replaced the timing cover gasket today. Didn't find anything wrong with the surfaces. It may be that the leak was from the oil pressure switch. It's all back together and ready to be re-timed with a strobe. Hopefully the leak is gone. Noticed a few drops under the timing cover on the 69S :-(. I'm hoping that is oil I missed while cleaning up after the oil tank change.
December 6, 2022 Everyhitng is back together waiting for decent weather to test it again. Right now, Thursday is looking the best. The weekend is supposed to be clear, but in the 40s.
December 10-11, 2022 Retimed red Combat and both bikes went for test rides. The 69S was fine but was leaking at the rockerfeed coming out of the timing cover and weeping at the oil tank feed to the engine. Both were easy to fix. The Red bike was leaking from the left-side banjo and the float bowl drains and the left side was flooding. Not sure how that was happening, I verfied the fuel height before installed the carbs and it didn't happen before.
December 16, 2022 Haven't had much time but have been working the fuel leaks and flooding. Both are fixed now. The was a little piece of gasket stuck in the float needle seat - I have no idea how I missed that or how it happened - earlier test rides had no problems.
The banjo surfaces on the AN fuel lines were not smooth. Even though it probably wasn't needed, I changed the plastic filters and the fiber banjo washers to be sure they weren't damaged by the banjo surfaces.
Both bikes need another shakedown ride to get them to tempature and recheck everything. I don't like to call them done unless I come back with notihng to do. Unforunatley, we have a cold spell coming and it could be March before it's warm enough.
March 16, 2023 Well, it's been three months to the day. Both bikes were test ridden today and everything is good.
It has taken so long partly do the the weather, partly due to my general health, partly due to the fact that my hip is stopping me from getting on a bike, and recently partly due to me not being able to start one duo to my hip. My hip replacement is scheduled for April 6th. The big problem is my test rider (stepson and Norton 850 Interstate owner) has a new job and hasn't been able to test for me. He came buy today and took these two and the 1970 out for test rides. So, they are officially done.
The new owner has had a nighmare of problems with surgeries gone wrong on his shoulder so he's in no great hurry. We still have worked out the ornage color eh wants for the second tansk and side covers for the Combat, but that's not an issue for the builds.
August 31, 2023 I've been trying since March to talk to the new owner but have not been able to connect with him. I need thrse bikes gone. I want $14,000 for hte Combat and you probably can talke me down some form $11,000 for the 69S. Normally, the 69S should go for more than the Combat but I have a lot less in it. It has a Fiberglas tank so we may need to discuss chaning it if you want to ride the bike rather than just look at it.
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